PvP Tiers need hard cap to ship ranks

Game Discussion PvP
#1

Today’s patch has removed some of the worst examples of n00b piloting, but they don’t go far enough.

 

It is still possible to bring Rank 3 to a T3 match.

It is still possible to bring Rank 6 to a T4 match.

It is still possible to bring Rank 9 to a T5 match.

 

These ships are hopelessly outclassed, especially in the hands of the kind of player who would do something this inept.

 

For this reason, I propose removing the “soft cap” and replacing it with a hard cap.

 

For the hard cap, your highest rank ship sets the bar for all your other ships.

 

Tier 1:

There is no restriction here - as long as all your ships are Tier 1, you are fine.

 

Tier 2:

If your highest rank ship is a Tier 2 ship, you cannot launch with Rank 1 ships.

 

Tier 3:

If your highest rank ship is a Tier 3 ship, you cannot launch with Rank 4 ships or lower.

 

Tier 4:

If your highest rank ship is a Tier 4 ship, you cannot launch with Rank 7 ships or lower.

 

Tier 5:

If your highest rank ship is a Tier 5 ship, you cannot launch with Rank 10 ships or lower.

 

“But what about pilots just entering a tier?” This is for their benefit as much as anyone else’s. If a pilot has a Rank 13 ship on their lineup, they need the matchmaker to actively cull their junk ships and force them to only use tier-appropriate ships. This in turn means that they are encouraged to have well-rounded ship trees with a good choice of ships in the previous tier before moving up.

 

For example, a player who buys his first T5 ship (a R13) and flies it can only use R11 or R12 ships from T4 under this suggestion, which means he is not only stopped from bringing Tier 3 to fill up his roster, he’s also punished for tier rushing, but rewarded for leveling properly.

 

#2

You’re smart. We are smart.

Developers should act smart, because they are smart as well.

However, their reluctance is unwise.

There is no reason to be afraid of this.

It must be implemented, because of the absurdity I have seen so far.

That’s one of the reasons why no people want to risk random matches as well and they rather go in a group of 2-4 people, to avoid cases like that.

 

+1 to suggestion

#3

You got ma vote

+1

#4

all this cry about T5 restriction, but none of you that goes T3 in full ships, premium ships, purple/orange weapons seens to say anything about leaving T3 alone to those that are leveling up, double standards ftw…

#5

all this cry about T5 restriction, but none of you that goes T3 in full ships, premium ships, purple/orange weapons seens to say anything about leaving T3 alone to those that are leveling up, double standards ftw…

This applies in T3 just as much, but ironically the problem is far less common in T3.

 

The issue is simple - we don’t want people bringing useless ships to matches. If you bring a T1 ship to T3, you’re going to die horribly and accomplish nothing, just like if you bring T3 (or lower) ships to a T5 match.

 

And actually, a lot of us do say stuff about leaving T3. Mainly, we make it clear what’s driving us back down to T3. But that’s another topic altogether.

#6

all this cry about T5 restriction, but none of you that goes T3 in full ships, premium ships, purple/orange weapons seens to say anything about leaving T3 alone to those that are leveling up, double standards ftw…

 

It’s not double-standards. We complain about tier-rushers in any tier (T3+). In any tier, there is no excuse to run your ships that are 4 or more ranks lower than your highest-rank ship. You don’t get any more reward, in fact, you get less, as you won’t be able to do anything.

 

If you are leveling ships, level them in their respective tier, where you can actually be effective and not piss off us veteran pilots

#7

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#8

I thought tier rushers could no longer mess up t4-t5 games, yet yesterday i saw a player with a t4 gunship with 2 other tier 1 ships in capture the beacons.

 

Isn’t the patch supposed to prevent this?

#9

I thought tier rushers could no longer mess up t4-t5 games, yet yesterday i saw a player with a t4 gunship with 2 other tier 1 ships in capture the beacons.

 

Isn’t the patch supposed to prevent this?

 

No. The patch only disables those ships. You can still take them into the battle, but you won’t be able to fly them. So if you take a T5 and 3 T1s, you effectively have 1 ship.

It is planned for the matchmaker to prevent people from even queueing if they have ships spread too far apart (at least that’s what I’ve heard).

#10

I’m only playing T2 matches for the moment (still have some ships to max here), but I experienced some games where I would find people with Rank 1 ships in the same game as players in rank 6 ships.

 

Not only that but I once got into a combat recon match where our captain only had a rank1 lynx VS rank 6 ships…

 

I hope this suggetion makes it.

#11

I fully agree something has to be done here, I returned to play some games after longer break and honestly, I’m baffled with the MM nowadays.

 

I was constantly under-ranked so I tried putting ONE T1 ship, lowest rank possible, not premium and I STILL GOT T2 GAME.

 

I’m not bad, not great, but I would consider slightly above average - having to fight whole T2 team of ships in a T1 COMMANDER in Combat Recon? Seriously?

 

This is balls. I could say that in more sophisticated way, but there’s really no point.

#12

I fully agree something has to be done here, I returned to play some games after longer break and honestly, I’m baffled with the MM nowadays.

 

I was constantly under-ranked so I tried putting ONE T1 ship, lowest rank possible, not premium and I STILL GOT T2 GAME.

 

I’m not bad, not great, but I would consider slightly above average - having to fight whole T2 team of ships in a T1 COMMANDER in Combat Recon? Seriously?

 

This is balls. I could say that in more sophisticated way, but there’s really no point.

T1 is a Tier for new players. Once you have played and reached a few things, you won’t be able to enter T1 battles again. This prevents new players from being farmed by veterans.

#13

T1 is a Tier for new players. Once you have played and reached a few things, you won’t be able to enter T1 battles again. This prevents new players from being farmed by veterans.

 

Oh really? And if it happens when I put one T2 ship in and I’m getting placed in T3 games? Becasue you know, that happens like, every time.

I do get your reasoning, but should rating of players decide team composition then? What’s the point of T1 at all then? Wouldn’t it be better to just put first rank of ships in Tier 0 and make is separate?

What if that “veteran” is just plain bad and is barely able to handle T1, should he be placed in T2 anyways to get farmed by veterans?

 

Not to mention of captain selection mechanic - it’s ok so it’s random, but shouldn’t it ignore, let say, 3 lowest ranked players in a team? Otherwise you just have a stupid game and bad experience.

 

That logic falls short on many levels.

 

And by the way, can I get money back for my T1 premiums then - if as you say, I can’t use them in respective ranks?

#14

Oh really? And if it happens when I put one T2 ship in and I’m getting placed in T3 games? Becasue you know, that happens like, every time.

That can’t happen. If it does fill a bug report.

 

The only way you can be in tier 3 games is if you have a tier 3 ship in your line up, or you are in a squad with someone with tier 3 ships.

#15

Oh really? And if it happens when I put one T2 ship in and I’m getting placed in T3 games? Becasue you know, that happens like, every time.

I do get your reasoning, but should rating of players decide team composition then? What’s the point of T1 at all then? Wouldn’t it be better to just put first rank of ships in Tier 0 and make is separate?

What if that “veteran” is just plain bad and is barely able to handle T1, should he be placed in T2 anyways to get farmed by veterans?

 

Not to mention of captain selection mechanic - it’s ok so it’s random, but shouldn’t it ignore, let say, 3 lowest ranked players in a team? Otherwise you just have a stupid game and bad experience.

 

That logic falls short on many levels.

T1 is the beginner Tier and should only be there for beginners to learn the game. They should not be disturbed by experienced players.

The chance to find a veteran with over 100 battles that is not able to compete well in T1 is below 0.1%.

 

The captain selection chooses among the 3 best pilots of the team.

#16

That can’t happen. If it does fill a bug report.

Thanks for the answer, because it DOES happen to me, especially when I have my premium T2 lineup. Will make some screenshots and send the report.

 

T1 is the beginner Tier and should only be there for beginners to learn the game. They should not be disturbed by experienced players.

The chance to find a veteran with over 100 battles that is not able to compete well in T1 is below 0.1%.

 

The captain selection chooses among the 3 best pilots of the team.

 

Even if the ships he has are undertiered? Hmm… well, ok, but that should be taken into consideration.

That does not change my opinion about T1 premiums then, selling ships that can’t be used later in respective tier without any information about it is a bit cheezy.

#17

Thanks for the answer, because it DOES happen to me, especially when I have my premium T2 lineup. Will make some screenshots and send the report.

 

 

Even if the ships he has are undertiered? Hmm… well, ok, but that should be taken into consideration.

That does not change my opinion about T1 premiums then, selling ships that can’t be used later in respective tier without any information about it is a bit cheezy.

Even with a new bought T1 ship you can carry a whole T1 game when you already know the game.

They are cheap/easy to get on max synergy and will give you a synergy bonus for other ships.

#18

Yeah… some time ago I wanted to do a “fly all my ships again” week, to see how they would feel a few thousand battles later (and to give better help to newer low tier corp players). Did T1 lineup. Played a little. Was doing OK, but thought “well, I thought I actually should be much better than THIS”. Took me a while to understand I was being matched into T2, lol.

 

You can still fly your T1 premiums (or standards) in T2, and should still be fine in T2 with a little bit of experience. Also, you can always fly your T1 ships in T1 PvE.

#19

+1 to the original post, all t1 discussion aside. For the record, I do agree with locking players out of t1 once they have a rank 4 ship, though perhaps the lockout could hit at rank 5 or 6 if a player feels uncomfortable with t2. That may just be me.

#20

I know I already +1’d this, but I will do it again. This needs to happen. I can’t tell you how many times I see players taking a R13, R12, R10, and R9 into a T5 game, it is annoying. Taking the R10 is already bad enough, but a R9 stands no chance against T5 ships.

 

The squadding also needs to be fixed, so that these restrictions apply to all members of the squad, not just the squad leader.