38 minutes ago, MassHomicide said:
compare your broker to the list I promise you its not as described. You will only get 5 not 15. I saw 15 once. Every days its been 5. I will be screenshotting and posting daily, now that my attention has been brought to it… I hope to see a 4mb patch to fix this.
i got 9 refined electrum and 5 electrum from missions and A. Gage so far.
2 hours ago, MassHomicide said:
compare your broker to the list I promise you its not as described. You will only get 5 not 15. I saw 15 once. Every days its been 5. I will be screenshotting and posting daily, now that my attention has been brought to it… I hope to see a 4mb patch to fix this.
All days of the week have been 15.It’s this weekend, today, and the first day that have been 5.
2 resources are now P2W - Live Crystals and Electrum ore and Enriched Electrum. It is stated for the Electrum that you can find it in attacked sectors in OS. This is false.
Also, they changed the resources, without even responding first. We should not tolerate lies or deceptions, if this is the case!
We can get electrum and live crystal for free everyday.
So it is NOT pay to win. And when both events will end, we will be able to get them like all materials.
Descriptions are probably a copy paste, or for the future.
27 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:
We can get electrum and live crystal for free everyday.
So it is NOT pay to win. And when both events will end, we will be able to get them like all materials.
Descriptions are probably a copy paste, or for the future.
Now we got Stage 6 for Live crystals. Even so, before such thing ended and it was not obtainable in any other way.
P2W is a term, which means this: If you can’t get some resource or service by any other means, at any time, you must pay for it to get it.
Even now that we can get 1 Live Crystal per day, it’s an event, which will not be available daily, but for a very specific time. People, who will miss them, will have the same problem.
As for the descriptions, you should not make them in advance, if such things are not included. It’s deceptive and at least unethical thing to do.
I know what p2w mean.
Doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t p2w because they said many times that when the event will end, they will add a way to get them officially.
12 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:
Doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t p2w because they said many times that when the event will end, they will add a way to get them officially.
At any time, that the resources isn’t available by free means, even if for a short period of time, during such time, it’s P2W!
The fact, that we will get them later, doesn’t change that.
The table has been updated, now it’s right. If there’ll be any changes, we will make a special announcement.
No absolutely not.
p2w is when you can’t by no mean get something that gives you a clear advantage in power over other players.
With your definition it means that it’s currently p2w because once the daily is done, you can’t get live crystal for a day (which is a “short duration” right?)
But it’s not.
And, one more time, CinnamonFake said clearly that once the event end, you’ll be able to get them like all materials.
Problems ? None.
3 minutes ago, CinnamonFake said:
The table has been updated, now it’s right. If there’ll be any changes, we will make a special announcement.
Wow, that’s a huge nerf isn’t it?
1 hour ago, Koromac said:
It is stated for the Electrum that you can find it in attacked sectors in OS. This is false.
It was done this way (probably) to get the description ready and without any need to update it…which takes time (because you have a lot of languages) and requires coordination with a game update. Its less work…and translators have a lot of it. Also in patch notes it was stated the only means to get it. As usual, there will be another patch note indicating it can be obtained through other means (like OS mining or during trophy search).
11 minutes ago, CinnamonFake said:
The table has been updated, now it’s right. If there’ll be any changes, we will make a special announcement.
I guess its like 4-5 less refined electrum?
Yeah! A nerf again!
Side note: If I calculate it right, the A Gage with 3+5 = 8 electrum will get me in 90 days to the 720 electrum needed.
If this will be forever it’s okayish.
Left alone the OS fufu: If it apply, that you will extract the same amount of electrum from minerals/etc. like you did with neo/berry(but at an even rarer rate), OS is no real option(as it will be lasting forever to mine such an amount…). Doomsayer? I’m not as stating the calculations based on facts.
The crystal quest seem good to do. If it isn’t restricted to certain missions.
Our lovely staff has never been good at planning ahead so the most reasonable explanation I could come up with is that they most probably noticed the huge number of players returning to play and decided “they are here for the new destroyers and they will play until they build them so let’s just reduce the amount of loot and have them play even longer.”
Normally I am okay with any change that increases our active player amount (like rewarding new players more than the old players got rewarded in their time.) but this kind of change (I mean the change of Electrum loot schedule) only temporarily works for that cause. People will get fed up with it and quit again sooner than expected.
I was assuming the wrong number of Electrum was just a mistake and we would be getting what we “missed” sooner or later but apparently I was wrong to assume that.
I am usually defending the actions taken by the staff, people often don’t understand why something exists in the game (like the 10m bundle which is a credit sink but lots of people complain about how expensive it is.)
However, changes like these give no room for me to find the “reasonable explanation” and slowly deplete my cache of understanding. This is a brilliant game and you have a lot of faithful players but some changes just annoy us. Sadly not enough people are getting annoyed or could be bothered to type about it on the forums and frankly I haven’t seen any complaint threads reaching their purpose ever. This is usually because the complaints carry no weight and/or misdirected but still…
Edit to add some more;
We would understand if you came up with the “new schedule” in the first place and showed us that it would take, say, 90 days to gather enough Electrum to build a destroyer but when you do it like this, announcing something proudly and then reducing it to half, I can’t find the good will under that decision.
2 hours ago, Swifter43021 said:
No absolutely not.
p2w is when you can’t by no mean get something that gives you a clear advantage in power over other players.
With your definition it means that it’s currently p2w because once the daily is done, you can’t get live crystal for a day (which is a “short duration” right?)
But it’s not.
P2W also means another thing. If you can only get something in the Store, which isn’t available by any other means.
In this case, some of the rare resources.
Let me give you an example:
What, if you would only need one Enriched Electrum to get a rank 14 Destroyer?
Since it’s not available in OS or among loot spots, you will buy x5 Electrum Bundle, to get one for GS.
So, we have another such player, who wants to farm to get it for free, since it’s F2P, but he’s restricted, because now he has to spend money, if he wants to obtain it, but he doesn’t want to, or don’t have it.
P2W is not only a definition, when someone gets some better gear or ships to overpower other players. It’s more than just that.
It’s also a definition, when you must reach out in your wallet, without resorting to any alternative - free means to obtaining something or paywalls. An advantage on its own.
In this case, Destroyer is yours, while the other person can’t get it. Advantage of one player, while the other clearly does not have.
Simple as that!
Koromac : But as long as we can get them for free, then it’s not p2w
And we can. So it’s not.
sorry but koromac is right.i think. existing p2w definition is according to what he described in my view.
did you ever argument against wht devs or gajin told swifter ? am not sure as i am not often in Forum but till now i saw you always supporting them. this is ok as no crime but throws a bad light on your activity here in my view. a discussion board populated with “yes” tellers makes not much sense. Only the exchange of opinions that differ is worth a discussion. If other opinions(which are correctly and detailed worked out) are always downed cause they differ from the devs or gaijins meaning i have to ask me wht all this here is?. remembers me a box fights in which the winner is already announced before the battle ends. has not much use for me as such Forums should be the way to communicate with devs and not a place to let down own meaning cause always same tell contrary of what is intended… now i understand why the Forum is not really well populated. ist no “real” discussion board as discussions and ohter meaning are not wanted.
This is again only my personal meaning and not eternal truth for all. not intended by me to discredit anyone. is to Point out why many hesitate to tell here wht they really believe in and wht they think. a communication channel to devs and Publisher should be used as such. not only as Auto Applause platform for all what is introduced and done in game.
On 10/10/2016 at 5:19 AM, CinnamonFake said:
The table has been updated, now it’s right. If there’ll be any changes, we will make a special announcement.
Before
After
If original text table had a mistake simply from human error and incapability to copy-pasta properly, that is technically not a nerf.
42 minutes ago, xKostyan said:
If original text table had a mistake simply from human error and incapability to copy-pasta properly, that is technically not a nerf.
Maybe it’s true, maybe it isn’t. We will never know for sure. I think that such silly “mistakes” should never happen.
If there were no accidents,how do you think we are all here?(oh god I just played myself)