The problem is the lack of players. I don’t see much more issue about here to discuss about.
More players means more people squadding, and more people queuing, so the diferent ranks won’t be noticed. I don’t care fighting R11 with a R9, the problem is that being in the R9 - R11 queue forces you to wait for 5 or 6 minutes to have a game, while being in a R7-R9 queue you can get a game in 1 minute.
Hence most people are playing in low tiers.
the problem is that being in the R9 - R11 queue forces you to wait for 5 or 6 minutes to have a game, while being in a R7-R9 queue you can get a game in 1 minute.
Hence most people are playing in low tiers.
If you play normal T4 during main play times there has not been a long wait for a while now.
The reason play T3 rather than T4 is not wait times but easy farming in fully purple (DLC) ships.
Not true. We can’t get a game in T4. And believe me, I want to play T4. But you can’t, unless you solo, or do at most 2-man (maybe get a game). Can’t even get a game for a 3-man sometimes in T3, not to mention a 4-man. And last time I played T4 (yesterday) the player quality was even lower than in T3 (probably tier rushers, gotta get those T5 ships fast so I’ll be a better player!)
So now it’s wrong if we want to play together in a squad? It’s the only place where you get a normal game. And what is there to farm? I have over 40 milion creds and over a milion free sinergy sitting in hangar, with no use, I have nothing to gain from so called “farming”.
Sigh, if you think that ships matter, assemble a team of T4 or even T5 against our T3 “farming” team, I want to see what your excuse will be that time.
Not true. We can’t get a game in T4. Unless you solo, or at most 2-man. Can’t even get a game for a 3-man sometimes in T3, not to mention a 4-man.
I play nothing but T4 atm and other squads don’t seem to have that issue. Also I know WPK sends multiple 4-man squads to T3 simultaneously - if those squads queued for T4 or T5 instead you’d always have someone to be matched against even in nobody else was playing.
Sigh, if you think that ships matter, assemble a team of T4 or even T5 against our T3 “farming” team, I want to see what your excuse will be that time.
The only one I see making excuses is you (although I do remember a few other WPK guys bitching when T3 4-mans would be matched with T4 randoms a patch ago).
I play nothing but T4 atm and other squads don’t seem to have that issue. Also I know WPK sends multiple 4-man squads to T3 simultaneously - if those squads queued for T4 or T5 instead you’d always have someone to be matched against even in nobody else was playing.
The only one I see making excuses is you (although I do remember a few other WPK guys bitching when T3 4-mans would be matched with T4 randoms a patch ago).
Actually yes, that does happen sometimes. We didn’t even think about doing that in T4 if we’re alleady playing eachother. But, would you bother keep trying your luck over and over again every day with a T4 squad to *perhaps* get a game and if *maybe* there is another 4man squad in your corp queuing as well to play *against* your own people *every* single time that happens? I am to see how many players are willing to do that.
Of course i have to make excuses for because the community is so charmingly welcoming and toxic here. If you are not affected by our squads playing in other tier, than I don’t see where is the problem. I am still waiting on some sort of apology or proof for the “easy farming in purple dlc ships” statement, because that was over-stating it and, well, insulting.
But, would you bother keep trying your luck over and over again every day with a T4 squad to *perhaps* get a game and if *maybe* there is another 4man squad in your corp queuing as well to play *against* your own people *every* single time that happens? I am to see how many players are willing to do that.
Someone needs to start for others to follow. There are plenty squads in T4 already as well as several WPK guys. Add your squad to the queue and play instead of losing yourself in excuses.
Of course i have to make excuses for because the community is so charmingly welcoming and toxic here. If you are not affected by our squads playing in other tier, than I don’t see where is the problem. I am still waiting on some sort of apology or proof for the “easy farming in purple dlc ships” statement, because that was over-stating it and, well, insulting.
I wasn’t talking to you, you were not even part of this thread. I responded to Eviscerador whom I’ve fought with and against plenty of times in T4. I was stating an opinion about the playerbase at large but if the shoe fits you and you feel insulted by it that’s pretty much your problem.
It fits perfectly, but even than, I still have to object - I would not blame anyone else for it, I’ve seen some other (and very skilled) corp squads in T3 using same setups we are as well, some really good pilots and teamwork. And yes, they were using purple dlc ships as well. Problem? It’s not like it’s hard to obtain purple in T3. It’s even being more fair at this tier than wielding full power (and yes, we have purple ships in T4 and T5 too) in higher tiers, where other players have a much harder odds of ever obtaining a set of purple T5 ships. If you look at it this way(not that the gear matters much), I think that makes the situation even less pleasant.
I was in T4 yesterday, got 1 game with 2man, and we did not get the next one (in about 8 minutes wait), so we gave up.
It’s even being more fair at this tier than wielding full power (and yes, we have purple ships in T4 and T5 too) in higher tiers, where other players have a much harder odds of ever obtaining a set of purple T5 ships. If you look at it this way(not that the gear matters much), I think that makes the situation even less pleasant.
I agree, hence my point that players (= the player base at large, an average cross section, not you or your squad) are reluctant to leave T3.
You seem to be under the impression that I disagree with you playing in a purple squad in T3. I do not. All I said is that if you want more players in T4 or T5 you need to set an example and play there yourself. If you don’t care about skirmish T4 or T5 it’s perfectly fine and acceptable if you stay in T3 in whatever ship you like but then what is the problem?
The problem is what you see in the first post. Strong players squad up (which is fine) but get matched with overall weaker opponents as MM decides matches don’t needed to be balanced just give them a match and everyone will be happy. Several weeks ago squad were punished and put up higher in queue’s.
I also noticed Win’s don’t seem to matter in match making anymore. In the past when you lost several times you were put in a queue lower. I’m always in the same queue no matter how often I win or lose. My W/L is going down for the past weeks, well since it doesn’t matter why should I care. I just do my win vouchers in PvE.
I also noticed Win’s don’t seem to matter in match making anymore. In the past when you lost several times you were put in a queue lower. I’m always in the same queue no matter how often I win or lose. My W/L is going down for the past weeks, well since it doesn’t matter why should I care. I just do my win vouchers in PvE.
I’m just about certain that win ratio never mattered, but if your rating drops low enough and you fly a ship with no/low synergy and low quality main weapon that can reduce you rank, so maybe that’s what you were seeing.
Yep, I have to agree. I had a large Losing streak. 7 games in a row lost.
Squads farm T1 and no one cares.
Squads farm T3 and everyone loses their minds.
Squads farm T1 and no one cares.
Squads farm T3 and everyone loses their minds.
I think those in T1 would disagree.
Then just stop farming in PvP! What is there to farm about anyway, and why do you need to be in a squad to farm?
Not true. We can’t get a game in T4. And believe me, I want to play T4. But you can’t, unless you solo, or do at most 2-man (maybe get a game). Can’t even get a game for a 3-man sometimes in T3, not to mention a 4-man. And last time I played T4 (yesterday) the player quality was even lower than in T3 (probably tier rushers, gotta get those T5 ships fast so I’ll be a better player!)
So now it’s wrong if we want to play together in a squad? It’s the only place where you get a normal game. And what is there to farm? I have over 40 milion creds and over a milion free sinergy sitting in hangar, with no use, I have nothing to gain from so called “farming”.
Sigh, if you think that ships matter, assemble a team of T4 or even T5 against our T3 “farming” team, I want to see what your excuse will be that time.
How about sector conquest?
ANd here are my observations from this weekend:
During the day (that i never get to play usualy) i was amazed with amount of players, and i jumped on a wagon and played t4 (first time in couple of months, in our time zone T4-T5 does not exists what so ever), we had 8v8-12v12 games for couple hours in a row, multiple 2-3-4 man squads were for us and against us - WPK squads - T3
The biggest thing that makes people think that WPK is simply T3 farmers now, is that you never play Sector Conquest. All this “carrying Aces” excuses kinda don’t cut it - you can always form a wing, and during EU times there are quite a few corporations that will assemble a wing if you let them know. Even when you play squads in “low population time” and Sec Con is hardly anything more than 4v4, you still play T3. And another thing is that most of WPKs are saying that they are playing for team play at this point, and not for rewards (hence there are hardly any rewards in T3 at this point), but Sec Con is the ultimate place for teamwork, there are good players and there are bad players, like in every other mode, but it doesn’t change the fact that there is way more tougher opposition in Sec Con, than in random T3, i agree that rewarding is kinda meh in Sec Con, but it does not eliminate the gameplay.
And btw it is not only from english speaking community, i lurk russian forums alot, and by most corporations WPKs are viewed as “meh, those are t3 farmers” AND this is an actual quote from DNOs and SYNs better players
I think those in T1 would disagree.
Why they dont disagree? Because they dont give a damn about comming to the forums and complaining about it. And why ppl farm in squads T1? Because it is counterproductive in some cases to farm any other tier. And why that happens? Because the game is broken.
Then just stop farming in PvP! What is there to farm about anyway, and why do you need to be in a squad to farm?
Synergy farm, i still have about 3 or 4 R9 ships to max, once i finish ill start dedicating time on T4’s MAYBE, or, just unlock T5’s and stick with T5’s since theres no point in T4’s in terms of number of games.
I think those in T1 would disagree.
Then just stop farming in PvP! What is there to farm about anyway, and why do you need to be in a squad to farm?
Don’t ask me, I am the one who suffered from scrubs that I wont name again when I started playing the game. And after that I didn’t bother to continue playing.
If you play normal T4 during main play times there has not been a long wait for a while now.
The reason play T3 rather than T4 is not wait times but easy farming in fully purple (DLC) ships.
Playing solo yes, even in a 2 or 3 men squad. But playing 4 men squad in T4 has just impossible queue time (we left after 8 minutes, switched to T3, had a game in 30 secs)
Squads farm T1 and no one cares.
Squads farm T3 and everyone loses their minds.
Yeah, unfortunately there aren’t many active forum posters that play T1 and can complain about those Pedobears, so it does go unnoticed 
Yeah, unfortunately there aren’t many active forum posters that play T1 and can complain about those Pedobears, so it does go unnoticed
That’s why I am here, to xxxxx and trashtalk them 'till I get muted or banned, don’t worry kitty cat
Sec Con is the ultimate place for teamwork, there are good players and there are bad players, like in every other mode, but it doesn’t change the fact that there is way more tougher opposition in Sec Con, than in random T3
Not quite. Its not so different compared to t3. “Tough” opposition is rare… and i mean rare
And its the same in t3. We occasionally fight ESB, Mek and DNO in t3… so where’s the difference?
Also, the queue times in SecCon are way longer than in t3. And after those long waits what you’re likely to get is a small game… and that’s during peak hours
Regarding wings i’m told they’re dead atm… idk about your timezone but i was in ESB mumble the other day and heard that they haven’t been getting games in wings. We then made a 4-man squad and waited 20 minutes for a game (got 2 games during an entire fighting stage) - again, during peak hours