Can you stop deleting my posts? If you do that to unhappy players how will devs know that community is unhappy… If they even
Maybe if you contributed to the thread your posts wouldn’t be hidden. Please stay on topic.
It is a pay to win addition to the game. Would you use the same exact implant set for a Styx and an Valor if given the chance? One’s agile, the other’s pure tank. The Fortis implant seems great for commands, but marginal in other ships. You could have a command implant set, an interceptor speed tank set up, and a frigate pure tank set up.
The benefit may be minimal, but we all want those pure purple ships even though we know purple’s benefit over blue is minimal.
EVERYTHING should be able to be obtained via credits ,achievements, or something besides real money. Real money should get you there faster. That is all.
Otherwise the game is not F2P, it’s P2P or P2W.
For those with the arguments of “minimal advantages” whether MK3 vs MK4 or MK4 vs MK5 ( I see the screenshots all the time. No need to post again),
or the minimal difference between “just a couple of implants”, I ask a few questions.
- Have you spent time and testing to which implant set works best for your builds?
- Do you believe that changing a couple of implants would make some of your ships less effective?
- If you have MK4 or5 weapons, Do you still use your MK3 because it’s not much weaker?
And finally, if you did not already have this gear and were forced to pay real money to obtain it would you still say it didn’t matter?
I think some with a lot of time and effort in this game honing their skill, can and do overcome some of these small advantages. This handful of players
with all the time and effort spent to hone their craft will not be able to keep this game going. The average player will. If they think that with hard work
they can attain and obtain the same levels.
EVERYTHING should be able to be obtained via credits ,achievements, or something besides real money. Real money should get you there faster. That is all.
Otherwise the game is not FTP, it’s P2P or P2W.
For those with the arguments of “minimal advantages” whether MK3 vs MK4 or MK4 vs MK5 ( I see the screenshots all the time. No need to post again),
or the minimal difference between “just a couple of implants”, I ask a few questions.
- Have you spent time and testing to which implant set works best for your builds?
- Do you believe that changing a couple of implants would make some of your ships less effective?
- If you have MK4 or5 weapons, Do you still use your MK3 because it’s not much weaker?
And finally, if you did not already have this gear and were forced to pay real money to obtain it would you still say it didn’t matter?
I think some with a lot of time and effort in this game honing their skill, can and do overcome some of these small advantages. This handful of players
with all the time and effort spent to hone their craft will not be able to keep this game going. The average player will. If they think that with hard work
they can attain and obtain the same levels.
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Yes
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Obviously, being capable of maxing your ship characteristics with the implants in each slot is an advantage, I never said the contraty.
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In fact, I’m not using mk5 anything because the amount of crystals needed are insane for the benefit they give you.
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To do it right, they should tell you “you can only use purple or orange modules in one of your combat slots. To use them in the rest you have to pay gold” In that case, well, I still can use all purples and oranges in one ship. The guy who pays have a small advantage in some circumstances, but the advantage is small.
What I want to say is: Yes, it is pay to win in some circumstances, but the amount of win is very small. Even if there is some.
Would it be better if there was no pay to win? of course. Will they implement some way to get crews for not paying users? well, you can still use all the implants, so 1v1 you have the same weapons that any paying user, so they can just tell you that.
Yes
Obviously, being capable of maxing your ship characteristics with the implants in each slot is an advantage, I never said the contraty.
In fact, I’m not using mk5 anything because the amount of crystals needed are insane for the benefit they give you.
To do it right, they should tell you “you can only use purple or orange modules in one of your combat slots. To use them in the rest you have to pay gold” In that case, well, I still can use all purples and oranges in one ship. The guy who pays have a small advantage in some circumstances, but the advantage is small.
What I want to say is: Yes, it is pay to win in some circumstances, but the amount of win is very small. Even if there is some.
Would it be better if there was no pay to win? of course. Will they implement some way to get crews for not paying users? well, you can still use all the implants, so 1v1 you have the same weapons that any paying user, so they can just tell you that.
Evi imo people should not defend this decision, just out of principle. I say it’s quite an advantage to have different implants, you say it’s not so much. But it is a BATTLE altering element that can be had just by paying cash, if you defend them and this is just the tip of the iceberg, if it follows this path the game will actually become, slowly, P2W. This is a P2W element and might be considered as an introduction to future P2W features. It should not be here, no matter how small this is.
Small or big, it should NOT be accepted by anyone in the community. Because it will hurt the game, people will hear it’s P2W, and this time they will be right. And we’ll lose players.
It is not about defending these things, i am pretty sure he is against p2w, so am I and others, but blowing the xxxx out of proportions by people, that only do is endless whining about everything, while being extremely out of touch with the game, it is just very annoying. Yes, small things like this aren’t good, but look at the outcry, it is ridiculous how stupid some people are.
It is not about defending these things, i am pretty sure he is against p2w, so am I and others, but blowing the xxxx out of proportions by people, that only do is endless whining about everything, while being extremely out of touch with the game, it is just very annoying. Yes, small things like this aren’t good, but look at the outcry, it is ridiculous how stupid some people are.
I can’t believe I’m saying this.
I fully agree with you.
I can’t believe I’m saying this.
I fully agree with you.
Hey now, remember a year ago, when you (well you weren’t alone) kept calling me dev’s xxxx kisser on my every 2d post? that is what you are doing now :00555:
Hey now, remember a year ago, when you (well you weren’t alone) kept calling me dev’s xxxx kisser on my every 2d post? that is what you are doing now :00555:
But you’re still an xxxx. Good things never change.
I am very disappointed with the charge of GS to the new crew system. I was very excited to specialize my builds to the various rolls I am good at. Though it won’t make too much difference to be stuck with the one generic implant set, it will still set apart some of the players that are smart and crunch the numbers to build a truly evil set up. I loved the rest of the patch however, and even though it costs GS for a crew (I might just get beta crew) It won’t stop me from playing the game. I’m just disappointed because I actually planned some amazing set ups and tested for several different ship classes.
At least with my beta crew I’ll build a Juggernaut of a guard and still have my dps crit builds for my gunships/other stuff.
I would love to see once you get to rank 10 you unlock a second crew which can be purchased for say… 10m credits and once you build one of the customizable ships, you get a 3rd unlocked crew which you can pay for with 20m credits or something like that.
Good things never change.
Amen to that
Woo, ~800MB update.
*reading patch notes*
Finally, my and probably many others’ suggestion is implemented (not yet ship presets, but it is a start)
*starting the game*
Let’s specialize my 2 inti, 1 fighter, 1 frigate layout …
2000GS ! … PER CREW !
Exactly how I felt when i woke up this morning and saw it costs GS, before going to my class lol.
Maybe it’ll be on sale this weekend?
Thanks for the feedback guys! I will forwad it to the devs.
It is not about defending these things, i am pretty sure he is against p2w, so am I and others, but blowing the xxxx out of proportions by people, that only do is endless whining about everything, while being extremely out of touch with the game, it is just very annoying. Yes, small things like this aren’t good, but look at the outcry, it is ridiculous how stupid some people are.
Singaporeans complain a lot, haven’t you heard?
It is not about defending these things, i am pretty sure he is against p2w, so am I and others, but blowing the xxxx out of proportions by people, that only do is endless whining about everything, while being extremely out of touch with the game, it is just very annoying. Yes, small things like this aren’t good, but look at the outcry, it is ridiculous how stupid some people are.
I can’t believe I’m saying this.
I fully agree with you.
You two are killing me. Literally and figuratively. :fed013:
You have to at least admit that things like this are damaging to the games F2P claims and add fuel to the P2W claims.
I don’t care what they decide. Just pick one and let the cards fall as they may. Either the game will succeed or fail.
This trying to walk the line between and treating the game like it’s only been in development for 6 months just drives people crazy and away.
Well, I’ve decided that I won’t spend my precious GS on those thing because for me they should at least be available for credit.
I would hate to buy one, and 3 day later they implement a free way.
Same for those t5 ships. Waiting for sale.
12k/ ship, seriously. T4 and t5 are the same tier, and t4 bundle is 14k.
This is the bug report section, if you want to talk about the Crew system please make a thread in the game balance or suggestions sections, thanks.
And since
Thanks for the feedback guys! I will forwad it to the devs.
I’ll proceed to lock this.