how many parts do we need to build the Wolfhound and Granite???

1 hour ago, dreamer78 said:

we got screenshot of Vigilant before release back in the day.

 

It does not mean they were testing it, the guy who gained access to it got a pretty hefty ban

3 hours ago, xKostyan said:

It does not mean they were testing it, the guy who gained access to it got a pretty hefty ban

If I remember correctly, aggressor got access to the vigilant long before it get released for testing purposes but it was on live server(custom battles) 

1 hour ago, EndeavSTEEL said:

If I remember correctly, aggressor got access to the vigilant long before it get released for testing purposes but it was on live server(custom battles) 

People got access to Vigilant by unauthorized means, devs don’t give unreleased content to live server for “testing purposes”, that is why we have closed test servers and testers. There is no reason to do that on live servers and it makes no sense. Even promos and reviews for media prerecorded on Test servers prior to the content release. On top of that, I don’t even recall Aggressor ever being a part of testers team.

 

There is a lot of stuff in game files, but it does not mean it is specially unlocked to who knows who for “testing”, but there are some people that do know how to go through those files and may or may not see content designs/models in advance, and like in case of Vigilant take a step further. 

4 hours ago, xKostyan said:

People got access to Vigilant by unauthorized means, devs don’t give unreleased content to live server for “testing purposes”, that is why we have closed test servers and testers. There is no reason to do that on live servers and it makes no sense. Even promos and reviews for media prerecorded on Test servers prior to the content release. On top of that, I don’t even recall Aggressor ever being a part of testers team.

 

There is a lot of stuff in game files, but it does not mean it is specially unlocked to who knows who for “testing”, but there are some people that do know how to go through those files and may or may not see content designs/models in advance, and like in case of Vigilant take a step further. 

 

Here’s what max said:  p2qTScz.png

 

of course, I can’t read Russian so here’s the text after google translate:  cN6B3YU.png

 

I don’t know if the translation is really off, but my interpretation is that he says he used the ships on the live server for testing. Of course, that might not be true, but that’s what he has said.

11 hours ago, xKostyan said:

You can see 3 parts per ship, 20 electrum each.

 

  1. We have access to all new ships on test server for a while now.

  2. new content is never tested on live servers if it is not released yet.

It is 1 cabin plus 2 parts per new r16 ship

only the cabin requires 20 enriched electrum

 

I have seen xlXMaXLx on live servers having the rank 18 given to him in all factions (emp, fed,jer,elly)… explain that

11 minutes ago, avarshina said:

It is 1 cabin plus 2 parts per new r16 ship

only the cabin requires 20 enriched electrum

 

I have seen xlXMaXLx on live servers having the rank 18 given to him in all factions (emp, fed,jer,elly)… explain that

well except he said that you need 3 cabin per ship …

13 minutes ago, avarshina said:

I have seen xlXMaXLx on live servers having the rank 18 given to him in all factions (emp, fed,jer,elly)… explain that

As do all the Promotion accounts, but not Ellydium (at least the last time I checked it)

MarySue also has everything, Ellydium included at r16

 

3 hours ago, Cr0 said:

 

Here’s what max said: p2qTScz.png

 

of course, I can’t read Russian so here’s the text after google translate: cN6B3YU.png

 

I don’t know if the translation is really off, but my interpretation is that he says he used the ships on the live server for testing. Of course, that might not be true, but that’s what he has said.

And? How is that any different from what I said multiple times?

Ships were obtained via a bug and not given to them by devs specifically for testing. After that MaX decided to do some testing, while Listick stuck around enjoying a free ride, even though he is not a tester, and have no NDA behind him or anything like that. 

43 minutes ago, xKostyan said:

 

And? How is that any different from what I said multiple times?

Ships were obtained via a bug and not given to them by devs specifically for testing. After that MaX decided to do some testing, while Listick stuck around enjoying a free ride, even though he is not a tester, and have no NDA behind him or anything like that. 

 

 You said:

    1. new content is never tested on live servers if it is not released yet.
  • Stuff is NOT tested on live server (except for 2 occasions 3 years ago)

  • It does not mean they were testing it, the guy who gained access to it got a pretty hefty ban //(talking about someone using vigilant before release)

 

Ok, so I can believe that the ships weren’t given out.

 

‘After that MaX decided to do some testing’ → this is either (1) testing for the developers, which you say never happens on the live server, or is (2) him just playing with the new ships on the live server for himself and he just calls it ‘testing’. If the second case is true, how is this different from the vigilant case (other than the fact that Max has a good relationship with the devs)? Furthermore, Max seems to disagree with the second case when he says ‘it was necessary […] I had to collect logs’. 

 

So from what I gather, Max is saying case one is true (the developers asked him to test the new ships on the live server), which goes against you saying unreleased content is never tested on the live server.

 

Personally, I don’t really believe him. I think he got access to the new ships with whatever bug was there, and now he can avoid punishment (as in the vigilant case) because of his relationship with the devs. Not that he is doing anything wrong - in the same situation I would use the ships as well - it’s just that the preferential treatment of some players doesn’t leave a good taste.

 

Testing, and I mean in general QA position for any company, is not always working by a test plan approved or required by a higher ups. Alot of issues are found on own initiative, while digging in out of scope areas.

Meaning in case of MaX that he was not asked by devs to test, especially considering everybody is on vacation from end of december to 2nd week of january - these russian holidays. Only couple of guys are on call for something urgent, you know like removing ships from ship tree. But that does not mean he was not testing from own initiative, or asked after to confirm a thing or two, which is basicaly a 3rd case.

On top of that I originally said “devs dont test unreleased content on live”, it does not mean we don’t test things on live.

3 minutes ago, xKostyan said:

Testing, and I mean in general QA position for any company, is not always working by a test plan approved or required by a higher ups. Alot of issues are found on own initiative, while digging in out of scope areas.

Meaning in case of MaX that he was not asked by devs to test, especially considering everybody is on vacation from end of december to 2nd week of january - these russian holidays. Only couple of guys are on call for something urgent, you know like removing ships from ship tree. But that does not mean he was not testing from own initiative, or asked after to confirm a thing or two, which is basicaly a 3rd case.

On top of that I originally said “devs dont test unreleased content on live”, it does not mean we don’t test things on live.

 

>On top of that I originally said “devs dont test unreleased content on live”, it does not mean we don’t test things on live.

Would you consider the r16 ships already released?

 

In the thread on the RU forum they were talking about the ships being used in leagues and normal pvp. I think it’s not appropriate for a tester to use these  unreleased  ships against normal players on the live server. (Of course, just because I don’t like it doesn’t mean it can’t happen - I very much doubt anything will happen to these players, and that’s ok).

 

Maybe I am relying on google translate too much, but max said ‘it was  necessary. I  had  to fly’. This doesn’t sound like ‘testing from own initiative’.

If he was ‘asked after to confirm a thing or two’ then this is an example of unreleased ships being tested on the live server, which again seems quite unfair. 

 

I consider these ships unreleased, and I think it was a bad call on MaX’s side to proceed the way he did, but I don’t really care ![:)](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/001j.png “:)”) it wasn’t that much of a big deal, Vigilant case was much worse imho

5 hours ago, xKostyan said:

 

And? How is that any different from what I said multiple times?

Ships were obtained via a bug and not given to them by devs specifically for testing. After that MaX decided to do some testing, while Listick stuck around enjoying a free ride, even though he is not a tester, and have no NDA behind him or anything like that. 

so the reason their profile shows that their max ship level is r18 is not because they really got all new ships include new r18 ships.

because they got some bug can set their profile to r18 and than they can build the ship, and so the devs just remove the ships from the tree so this bug won’t works?

but is that means, they do see the building menu, and build the ship in legal ways, so what they said like “one new ship need 3 cabins =  60 enriched electrum” maybe is true?

because we can’s see the building menu becasue is set as “need r16" , but if they have some bug to set their own max level to R18, and open the menu and build the ships. on the other hand if they just been told to test the new ships and the new ships are send direct to their accounts, than they can’t check the build menu because they already own the ships.

1 hour ago, Savanna said:

so the reason their profile shows that their max ship level is r18 is not because they really got all new ships include new r18 ships.

because they got some bug can set their profile to r18 and than they can build the ship, and so the devs just remove the ships from the tree so this bug won’t works?

but is that means, they do see the building menu, and build the ship in legal ways, so what they said like “one new ship need 3 cabins =  60 enriched electrum” maybe is true?

because we can’s see the building menu becasue is set as “need r16" , but if they have some bug to set their own max level to R18, and open the menu and build the ships. on the other hand if they just been told to test the new ships and the new ships are send direct to their accounts, than they can’t check the build menu because they already own the ships.

They actually built it through crafting interface on their own.

Whatever happened to the thread public test server? Is it still there or am I blocked from viewing?

 

I would like to know a time it is open. I want to test some builds without breaking my bank in the real game.

57 minutes ago, DrDeath_ScD said:

Whatever happened to the thread public test server? Is it still there or am I blocked from viewing?

 

I would like to know a time it is open. I want to test some builds without breaking my bank in the real game.

Nope, no public testing thread for everyone.

18 hours ago, John161 said:

Nope, no public testing thread for everyone.

The link is still active just says I dont have permission to view it anymore. $3000 plus invested and still restricted.

6 hours ago, DrDeath_ScD said:

The link is still active just says I dont have permission to view it anymore. $3000 plus invested and still restricted.

No one except GMs and devs can access it. They do hide the Public testing thread quite often between the public testing events. (They did it before the testing of Tai’Kin and do it now again.)

9 hours ago, John161 said:

No one except GMs and devs can access it. They do hide the Public testing thread quite often between the public testing events. (They did it before the testing of Tai’Kin and do it now again.)

Nope. I cannot access it either, sorry ![:)](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/001j.png “:)”)

4 minutes ago, niripas said:

Nope. I cannot access it either, sorry ![:)](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/001j.png “:)”)

 

Public test server is unused for everyone while its offline.