Butchers in Defence Contract and Fire Support are OP

[ntboble 57]

I rest my case

 

You nailed the poor kid.

[TheDarkRedFox 1,545]

Even I can't dig you out of this one, YumTum.

[CaptainMaxwell7 67]

LOL I am in a 100 ton war machine... its not easy to run away. I did acually i was going 237ms and he still was hitting me. It called aimbot.. get why? bot> aim.

Who told you that it's a 100 ton war machine? These are just paper models made out of a square. Also I can run away, circle, and wreck the Butcher on my own in a destroyer.

 

Keep trying to make yourself look smart, cuz you just look dumber the more you do it with your false statements.

 

Oh also I hope you got enough attention with your trolls.

[Mecronmancer 280]

I rest my case

[CaptainMaxwell7 67]

Now we need new gif types, that play sounds.

[Mecronmancer 280]

Now we need new gif types, that play sounds.

It's called webms.

[xKostyan 1,074]

http://coub.com/view/8fluz

[CaptainMaxwell7 67]

http://coub.com/view/8fluz

Rofl. Had to quote you to see the link.

[Lord_Xenon 207]

Butcher's projectile are flying at 200m/s. I can dodge them even with Jeri guard...And they are meant to be dodged, not tanked.

Try Fort Muerto PvE - 1 shot doing over 100k dmg. And finally - please, learn that you need different class of ships for different class (T3 destroyer in Fire Support sucks, T4 destroyer in Fire support is awesome due to wormhole and Halo)

T3 destroyer suck??? Then you have flown them not correct. The fastest round was ~3:30 with just 2.

Tempest+Pyro burn the cruiser really good. We even didn't need to kill any of his engines to kill it.

Maybe you didn't played him after the module vs. structures update?

Do you mean with wormhole the wormhole jumper device or the lense? Because the first suck(for the damage factor).

[theNoob 27]

Da Butchers are way OP! Pplz just win gainst em cuz they cheat. Its an outrage why does nobody act!!!!!

[TheDarkRedFox 1,545]

If anything can "quickly" kill a destroyer, then the destroyer is doing something wrong.

[CaptainMaxwell7 67]

Today I dodged the butcher while he's 2k away from me in my r 11 Fed destroyer. Wish I recorded that to show mister OP how childish he's been acting.

[niripas 277]

T3 destroyer suck??? Then you have flown them not correct. The fastest round was ~3:30 with just 2.

Tempest+Pyro burn the cruiser really good. We even didn't need to kill any of his engines to kill it.

Maybe you didn't played him after the module vs. structures update?

Do you mean with wormhole the wormhole jumper device or the lense? Because the first suck(for the damage factor).

 

Around 2:40 here with lrfs.

And yes - wormhole as mobility. Destroy the engines, debuff with photons, kill with halo, jump, repeat on the other side. 

[LlBERTY 33]

I WIN...

..LOL...BYE!!!

Yes you did, Sinaka. You totally won with this. Love it.

 

And to the OP, it's about two things - your skill and how you fit your ship.

 

I have my R8 destroyer going 300+ m/s and literally flying circles around butchers - not getting touched. An officer in our squadron has his R8 as a slow, lumbering shield-mammoth that just tanks the EM. Even so, he still knows to keep moving around and not just sit there taking it.

 

One of the things I notice in many pilots in PVE (and I'm not saying this is you) is that they don't move around enough. They stay stationary firing at a target and some don't even move as that line of blue pearls is slowly moving their direction. I say it all the time - keep moving, keep your distance, rotate and STRAFE!

[Alanthier 10]

On 3/14/2016 at 0:52 PM, Xelavian_FDEF said:

Oh you're the guy who thinks interceptors are for people who aren't good and require less skill than frigates and fighters!  

(thanks for the reminder West, love your forum signature)

 

"I am a great pilot" "I am in the top 500th PvE pilots"

 

Am I the only one that sees no relation?

 

Sorry Tummy, you just need to learn how to build your ships properly, or do in fact, get good.  They're not really OP.  If anything, they provide more of a challenge to the already incredibly low difficulty of PvE missions in general.

I disagree with you on Tummy needing to build properly.  With that much EM resistance, no AI ship should be able to destroy you(especially with a guard friggate) in less than 3 seconds.  Same goes for the Turrets that the Cruiser itself uses, same EM weapon.  Broken beyond all belief.  Player version of that turret does nowhere near as much damage as fast, nor can it travel anywhere near as far.  it does need serious rebalancing.

[RennieAshII 205]

On 03/19/2016 at 6:10 AM, LIBERTY said:

Yes you did, Sinaka. You totally won with this. Love it.

 

And to the OP, it's about two things - your skill and how you fit your ship.

 

I have my R8 destroyer going 300+ m/s and literally flying circles around butchers - not getting touched. An officer in our squadron has his R8 as a slow, lumbering shield-mammoth that just tanks the EM. Even so, he still knows to keep moving around and not just sit there taking it.

 

One of the things I notice in many pilots in PVE (and I'm not saying this is you) is that they don't move around enough. They stay stationary firing at a target and some don't even move as that line of blue pearls is slowly moving their direction. I say it all the time - keep moving, keep your distance, rotate and STRAFE!

Lol strafe in a destroyer :-)

[Mecronmancer 280]

7 hours ago, Alanthier said:

I disagree with you on Tummy needing to build properly.  With that much EM resistance, no AI ship should be able to destroy you(especially with a guard friggate) in less than 3 seconds.  Same goes for the Turrets that the Cruiser itself uses, same EM weapon.  Broken beyond all belief.  Player version of that turret does nowhere near as much damage as fast, nor can it travel anywhere near as far.  it does need serious rebalancing.

You obviously do not know how resistances and AI balance work in this game.

 

Also, what the hell is with the necroing nowadays? Seriously people?

[ORCA1911 813]

43 minutes ago, Mecronmancer said:

Also, what the hell is with the necroing nowadays? Seriously people?

When you're not good with numbers, not mastering dates seems the natural way of development hahaha

[Alanthier 10]

the AI's versions of the singularity cannon, IS in fact, way too overpowered.  It DOES need rebalancing, but that would make too much sense.  T2 of the defense contracts/fire support are a lot more difficult than T1/3, so obviously they had no idea what they were doing nor thinking when they programmed these modes.

[OwnageMaster 51]

13 hours ago, Alanthier said:

the AI's versions of the singularity cannon, IS in fact, way too overpowered.  It DOES need rebalancing, but that would make too much sense.  T2 of the defense contracts/fire support are a lot more difficult than T1/3, so obviously they had no idea what they were doing nor thinking when they programmed these modes.

I disagree. You have what - up to 2 Butchers in Fire Support and up to 4 in Defense Contract and those are the only ships that pose a threat to the player. In highest difficulty they are doing ~6k per shot, which actually is on par with crit build gunship but with much slower projectile speed. If I can dodge that in LRF, anyone can dodge it. So what you proposing is to nerf the only challenge in those missions, cause it's too difficult to focus fire on highest threat on the map and move a little to avoid being hit by a 200m/s flying ball. 

 

Oh - and regarding the cruiser. It's turrets have a range of 5500m. You are welcome.

[ORCA1911 813]

Well, the butcher does 10k em damage even with high resists on em, but the projectiles are veeery slow so you have that going for ya at least.

[X_Xharis 14]

maybe i just played too much pvp, but pve is really easy with the right build and if you move/evade and use cover as you do in pvp. Even r11-15 pve becomes easy at that point. Take a good built destroyer and you can solo some missions even on hard.

Nonetheless, I don't recommend a further increase in pve diffuculty, because already enough players dying all the time in that difficulty. I think it's fine as is atm.

[Alanthier 10]

9 hours ago, OwnageMaster said:

I disagree. You have what - up to 2 Butchers in Fire Support and up to 4 in Defense Contract and those are the only ships that pose a threat to the player. In highest difficulty they are doing ~6k per shot, which actually is on par with crit build gunship but with much slower projectile speed. If I can dodge that in LRF, anyone can dodge it. So what you proposing is to nerf the only challenge in those missions, cause it's too difficult to focus fire on highest threat on the map and move a little to avoid being hit by a 200m/s flying ball. 

 

Oh - and regarding the cruiser. It's turrets have a range of 5500m. You are welcome.

And I disagree with you.  In the highest difficulty, they do LESS damage than they do in the 2nd highest difficulty.  The shots always hit your hull/shield even when you DO dodge because of the round shape of the shields, and due to the fact that shields always try to regenerate, it transfers damage from the shield that the shield was not able to absorb, directly to the hull.  

 

And the cruiser has more than a 5500m range, that thing aims at me from well outside of 6500m.  I've got a destroyer with a 7100+ range and it still aims at me from beyond that, and hits me.

[EndeavSTEEL 561]

3 hours ago, Alanthier said:

And I disagree with you.  In the highest difficulty, they do LESS damage than they do in the 2nd highest difficulty.  The shots always hit your hull/shield even when you DO dodge because of the round shape of the shields, and due to the fact that shields always try to regenerate, it transfers damage from the shield that the shield was not able to absorb, directly to the hull.  

 

And the cruiser has more than a 5500m range, that thing aims at me from well outside of 6500m.  I've got a destroyer with a 7100+ range and it still aims at me from beyond that, and hits me.

No he's right turret range is arround 5500-5850m, and butcher projectile are really easy to dodge, just don't get too close to him.

But I do agree that sometime (if not always to me) ai just keep focusing on 1 target, even if another player is closer.. I for a very long time, try to know how the ai targeting work I found few thing but I still think it's random:

-your main  gun dps

-your level

-seen as the highest potential treat, so ai will try to take you out first

- if you are the first to inflict dmg 

-if your are closer

[Swifter43021 317]

On 02/11/2016 at 0:48 AM, RennieAshII said:

Lol strafe in a destroyer :-)

Destroyers can strafe